When is a Virgin and when is not a Virgin

[lisle]

All right all right color me stupid.... But....

Had been dating this girl.  Sweet and nice thing. She and her friends claimed she was a virgin.  She wanted to take it slow.  Keep it all innocent and clean.  So okay I did.  Took some doing and some cold showers but I did.  Finally I bedded her, and guess what......no blood.... no fucking hymen!!!!!

Now here's what she told me.  She was doing tricks on her bike as a teen and she slipped and slammed herself on the handle bar; ouch.... and no more hymen. 

Is this possible.  I know I'm not to bright but this sounds like a bunch of crap.   A cock .... yes.  Maybe being finger fucked too hard.  But falling on a handle bar ..... give me a break.

Am I wrong to think this is bull crap?

[Dr Verloc]

A few general notes

1.) There is some individual variance in hymens, some are tougher than others, and it may in fact have been pre-torn by physical activities other than sex.

2.) Why does this matter so much to you? Were you a virgin? If not, then why do you expect that she should be?

3.) To quote from the notebooks of Lazarus Long, everyone lies about sex.

Dr Verloc

[Dr_BuzzCzar]

Adding my two-cents. As Doc said, not uncommon for hymen to be torn by non-sexual activities. Interesting views on virginity. I know some find the allure of being first a big deal just as some doms find a brand-new subbie very enticing. I don't ascribe to those views but I've been out of synch most of my life. I'm lazy. Somebody else can do the early work and I'll take it from there.

I'm curious too. Why would whether she's a virgin or not be important?

[Violet]

A woman can be a virgin and not have a hymen.  Some can break very easily - through excessive exercise, inserting tampons, horseriding, a hard fall.  So yes, it is very possible.

And again, am with the others, why does it matter?  What she did or did not do before you shouldn't matter.  And even if she hadn't been a virgin, some women like to take things slow.  Just the way it goes.

[Quixote]

I think it's a shame when the hymen goes that way.  Somehow it's less satisfying than the idea of a hard, painful fuck, followed by the smearing of her virgin's blood onto her forehead.  Which is obviously every girl's dream.

And Doc, Lazarus Long said much that was wise.  :-)

[Dr_BuzzCzar]

...Lazarus Long said much that was wise.  :-)

"Don't ever try to out-stubborn a cat."

[shakeybard]

Never cared much about taking a woman's virginity. Its much more fun to be the first one invited in through the back door. Maybe you should try that if your worried about the broken lock on the front door. You could blaze a new trail like Lewis and Clark...Oh wait, Native Americans beat them to it. Ok maybe Columbus...No wait, he was lost and looking for something else...Wow, there really are no good explorer analogies. What the hell, just go knock on that back door buddy.

[Sprayman]

...Lazarus Long said much that was wise.  :-)

"Don't ever try to out-stubborn a cat."

One of my alltime favorite quotes Doc. Another is "Get a shot off fast. This upsets him long enough to let you make your second shot perfect."

Time to dig up my copy and reread the notebook again.

 

[Quixote]

I love that one where he gives a long list of things a man should be able to do; "cook a tasty meal", "saw off a leg", "plan an invasion", "write a sonnet", "butcher a hog" and tons more and concludes, "Specialisation is for insects."

I also love "Never frighten a little man.  He will kill you."  And "Autocracy is based on the notion that one man is smarter than a million men.  Why?  Democracy is based on the notion that a million men are smarter than one man.  Again, why?"

My favourite though (and I know I'm not getting the phrasing right, but I can't imagine Lazarus Long minding) is "A woman who is not beautiful, but builds up a man's morale, will become beautiful.  Or, more accurately, he will realise that she was beautiful all along, and wonder why he didn't notice before."


P.S.  Also, the deeply true and profoundly useful:  "Money and power are powerful aphrodisiacs.  But flowers work almost as well."  (Think I may have added the 'and power'.  I'm a long way from my library , sadly.)

People should study Heinlein more in schools.  He was damn smart.

[Sprayman]

Couldn't agree more with the last line Quix!

[Quixote]

Getting back to the subject of the thread, I've never actually been the first in a girl's pussy.  Never seemed that big a deal to me.  I've been the first in a few back doors, which is fun, but what I have enjoyed the most is being the first in a girl's mouth.  Nothing to do with conquering virgin territory.  The cool part is that she doesn't think she knows what to do, so is open to being trained to do it the way I like.

[phtlc]

I think it's a shame when the hymen goes that way.  Somehow it's less satisfying than the idea of a hard, painful fuck, followed by the smearing of her virgin's blood onto her forehead.  Which is obviously every girl's dream.:-)

Wow......a kindred spirit. You are a sick man! LOL

[Quixote]

That's not sick.

The sick part is surreptitiously taking the pictures of her lying on the ground, blood and cum smeared on her crying, anguished face, and dripping from her abused and abraded pussy, and arranging, years later, for copies to be distributed to all the guests at her wedding.

[phtlc]

A virgin is no longer a virgin after she makes the fatal mistake of being alone with me. She'll scream, she'll cry and she'll beg...but her cherry is mine.

[DomWoolf]

Personally my favorite Heinlein quote is "Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig."