Interrogation

[Quixote]

Dina:  You are so sweet!

Doc:  You are so evil!

Spray:  You are so focussed!

Man I love it here.   ;D

[Sprayman]

Dina:  You are so sweet!

Doc:  You are so evil!

Spray:  You are so focussed!

Man I love it here.   ;D

Yes, I must agree that we have a diverse, interesting, and very entertaining crowd here. Ain't it great!  ;D

[John_F_Drake]

I'm going to opt out of this thread now, because the style of torture being discussed differs so vastly from my own.

I shall still read on with bated breath, however.

[Sprayman]

I'm going to opt out of this thread now, because the style of torture being discussed differs so vastly from my own.

I shall still read on with bated breath, however.

Coward!

[John_F_Drake]

Not a coward... I just no longer have anything productive to add.

[wish upon a dina]

Sprayman wrote:

Particularly intoxicating is the notion of repeating whatever is was that made her break.

The pain that she gave up everything to make stop ...

To each his own. I might well go a different way with it. Torture should always include fear, especially the fear of the unknown. Obviously repetition allows for dread, since she can dread the next session. However, I want there to always be an element of the fear of the unknown. She should always live with the fear that the next session will produce something worse.

Can i just ask if you mean for repetition and fear of the unknown to be mutually exclusive? because i don’t really see that they have to be?

Consider the situation that she gave up her secrets with the hope to spare herself further suffering. You can bet that whatever you were doing to make that happen was bad, if the secret was truly secret in the first place, she wouldn‘t tell you it if she could help herself. What better way to show her she paid the ultimate cost and bought herself nothing in return, than to give her a second dose of that something she could stand no more of? If you were always planning to keep working on her after she talked (you sick people you!) it seems the perfect way to break the news to the victim at the start of your next session with her. The fact you haven’t stopped even though she thought you would manifests fear of the unknown all by itself, and this time you’ve started at the end of her endurance, how could she keep from questioning where this is going?

The way I’m imagining this you’ve got her terrified! Starting with that which broke her and moving on to the unknown seems a most fearful combination from my view point, all be it the insignificant view point of a “victim.”

[Dr Verloc]

wish upon a dina wrote:

Can i just ask if you mean for repetition and fear of the unknown to be mutually exclusive? because i don’t really see that they have to be?

Obviously once I've used electric shock, she knows what it feels like. I can change the voltage or the current, or apply the shocks to different locations or in a different way. Shock, if it works, can be used again if need be, but the patient should always fear that the interrogator may do something even worse. Shock may have been effective with the electrodes applied to the ears, but there should always be the possibiity of attaching them somewhere else. Voltage and current can only be taken so high, after all, without causing unacceptable damage or even killing the patient. So if it becomes necessary to use shock again, the electrodes might be taped over her kidneys, for example, or attached to her fingertips or toes. Later sessions might involve her breasts or genitals. But the interrogator wouldn't START there, because the fear that he MIGHT apply the electrodes there will work on her mind, and weaken her resolve. Dread and terror are among the most powerful weapons in the interrogator's arsenal. He (Or she) will always keep something in reserve. The first use of electricity won't consist of  one lead clipped to her clitoris and the other inserted in her urethra. That one gets saved for much, much later.

So even if the same basic methid is used again, it can be used with some variations. Or something completely different may be used.

Consider the situation that she gave up her secrets with the hope to spare herself further suffering. You can bet that whatever you were doing to make that happen was bad, if the secret was truly secret in the first place, she wouldn't tell you it if she could help herself.

She may have planned her defense in layers, and decided what to concede first. First she will give up plan A, then code B, then contact C, then alternate plan D, and so on, all in an effort to protect ultimate secret K. The interrogator can't assume that simply because the patient begins to talk that she is completely broken. she may in fact  be talking because she hasn't broken yet, and is trying to hold something back. Interrogation must be thorough if it is to be effective.

 

What better way to show her she paid the ultimate cost and bought herself nothing in return, than to give her a second dose of that something she could stand no more of?

She didn't "Buy herself nothing in return". Cooperation will bring her a respite, and even some small kindnesses.  But after all possible information has been extracted she will still have to confess to crimes against the State, and may have to make statements or public denunciations of various sorts. she may have to undergo reeducation, which will be a lengthy process in itself. She may be used practice interrogations to train novice interrogators, she may be assigned to State run brothel, where she will be made available to various officials or members of the armed forces. She may be assigned to the Research Division, where she will be used as a test subject for new interrogation  drugs or other methods. But the interrogator will certainly respond favorably to her each times she yields. It would be inhuman to do otherwise. The interrogator, after all, is not doing this solely for his own pleasure. He serves the State.

The way I’m imagining this you’ve got her terrified!

 

One may hope

Dr Verloc

[Quixote]

Dina:  Exactly.  But I think that you skipped one important thing.  I would definitely tell her that since she had given me what I needed to know, for which I was grateful, and since she would now be moved from the interrogation centre, I wanted a suitable goodbye.  I would have her give me a two-hour blowjob.  And then I would start the next session with the torture that broke her.

Doc:  Your interrogation scenario is perfectly sound, and extremely well-reasoned in terms of victim psychology.  But I somehow prefer the idea of being inefficient, in pursuit of my own enjoyment.  You take the ones with the important information, and I'll take the relatively insignificant ones being victimised to spread terror of the regime throughout the resistance.  Ok?

[Sprayman]

Doc: You take the ones with the important information, and I'll take the relatively insignificant ones being victimised to spread terror of the regime throughout the resistance.  Ok?

Quix, You must have noticed that the 'insignificant' ones are all hotties with big boobs! The major players all look like old maid school teachers.  ;)

[Darkling]

But the interrogator will certainly respond favorably to her each times she yields. It would be inhuman to do otherwise. The interrogator, after all, is not doing this solely for his own pleasure. He serves the State.

 

Doc, if you haven't you should read Gene Wolfe's Torturer series. I think you would enjoy the professional competence of the guild of the Seekers for Truth and Penitence, though they did their best not to take personal pleasure in their work.

I simply would not have the patience of the good doctor. I would want to "get to the good stuff" way to quickly too be anything other than a petty state official who abuses his power to serve his own lust.

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You take the ones with the important information, and I'll take the relatively insignificant ones being victimised to spread terror of the regime throughout the resistance.  Ok?

 

You and me both, Quix, as long as they're the hotties, like Sprayman says, though I'll take the ones with the prominent rumps, if you don't mind.

[Quixote]

It's all good.  Looking forward to the new job.

I've always wondered what the effects of Chinese Water torture actually look like ...

Ever notice how that is never used in BDSM?  Are the effects too sudden and sinister for it to be used to a lesser level, or what?

Sorry, should be another thread.  I'm pretty sleepy and slightly drunk right now.  Pay me no mind.

[Dr Verloc]

Sprayman wrote:

Quix, You must have noticed that the 'insignificant' ones are all hotties with big boobs! The major players all look like old maid school teachers.

I actually rather like an older patient, say in her thirties or even early forties. An accomplished patient is so much better. Someone who is sure of her place in the world, and used to wielding power and influence. I think, for example, that a corrupt businesswoman, someone wealthy, sleek, well groomed and fashionable, educated, articulate, and confident, would be an ideal patient. She might in her late thirties or even a bit over forty, but doubtless she works out and has taken good care of her body, and is very proud of her appearance. Believe me, Spray, when I say that were you an interrogator in my facility, I would assign you every big titted, hot looking, twenty something coed in the place just so I could concentrate on her. We all have our preferences, and there's nothing wrong with yours, or mine.  To each his own, I say.

Dr Verloc

[mothbrad]

VVV, is that 'Torturer' series available online?  I'd love to check it out.

Quixote - there's an old insex clip where chinese water torture is used, and it's quite a good clip, but there are better tortures to use.  (I think that, historically, it seems it was never actually used).

Regarding the discussion between Dr Verloc and the others - to me, it's a very fine line, between doing something purely for your own pleasure, or for the good of the church/nation/state ...  For that reason, I think that stories such as from the inquisition are better, as they can balance the passionate belief in the 'cause' (saving souls), with the sadistic lust necessary to take the session further than it otherwise would.  Kirsten Smart gets a really good balance of this at http://www.bdsmlibrary.com/stories/story.php?storyid=5189

[Darkling]

VVV, is that 'Torturer' series available online?  I'd love to check it out.

I didn't mean to get anyone's blood up. Gene Wolfe is a mainstream sci-fi/fantasy author who created what I believe to be capital "L" literature within the genre in his 4 book series, Shadow of the Torturer, Claw of the Conciliator, Sword of the Lictor, and Citadel of the Autarch. The hero of the books, Severian, happens to have been raised in a guild devoted to the torturing -- they call it "excruciation" -- of those committed to them by the proper authorities. In truth, there is little torture in a very long series, but two of the many fascinating aspects of the books are (1) how this young man, raised from childhood in a closed society of men training him to cause pain as a profession, sees the world, and (2) the hints of the ethos he learned and the training he was given as a torturer that and improve (or don't) his utility and skills for survival. He experiences a physical and psychological journey that I found interesting enough to read not just when I was in college, but again and even again over the course of -- well, let's just say at least one decade.

Though there are many commentaries on the net about Wolfe's work, I think one must still acquire them the old fashioned way: the book store. In the US, the books are still in print and probably available on Amazon or BN.

But it is not RPP material.

[mothbrad]

I've updated (on page one of this thread) my list of stories on RPPSTORIES that, to me, fit the interrogation theme, through to (and including) menu 29 - in other words, not counting then latest stories. 

You're welcome.

If anyone sees any that I missed, please post them here.