Hypnosis

[Quixote]

Couldn't decide whether to put this in real life or share your fantasies.  Not so much a question as a weird area of discussion: hypnosis.

Does anyone have any thoughts on the consensual use of hypnosis in a d/s relationship.  Meaning if a dom (or a dom's friend) had training in hypnosis, using it on a sub to reinforce slave behaviour in any way. 

I've heard of hypnotherapists getting people to quit smoking by conditioning them to eat a carrot stick when they get the urge to smoke.  Why not condition her to want to give a blowjob, or masturbate or whatever, instead?

(And yes, I have thought of writing a story about an evil hypnotherapist who does this even though the girl thought she was gonna get the carrot stick post-hypnotic suggestion, but that isn't the matter under discussion ...)

Or implanting triggers, like being called by a certain name triggering a certain type of behaviour.  You all know the kind of name, and the kind of behaviour I mean.  :-)

Or the use of hypnosis to help a sub enjoy something she has a revulsion for, like anal sex or swallowing.

If this is done with the slave's consent would it be cool, or is it too creepy to be actually reprogramming someone's mind?

Just some idle thoughts I had, watching a hypnotist on television and having dark ideas.

Anybody got an opinion?

[Mist]

For fantasy purposes I think it's great, great idea for stories as well.
However, in real life, am not such a big fan of it.  While it would definately be amusing if a sub would start to perform acts (you know the kind I mean!) in public without even realising it, I do think that it's going a bit far.  Not to mention I like my slaves to know what they're doing & be humiliated by it.
I don't now, it's a tough one.

[Eggert]

I'll have to agree with Mist. For fantasy and stories it's a great idea. Over at the "Erotic mindcontrol story archive". they've got quite a few related stories.
But in real life I prefer tat the girl know and feels the humiliation.

[Dr Verloc]

Mind control erotica can be fun. As far as actually hypnosis, I suppose it depends on what you're trying to accomplish. I suspect that most of the people who try to use hypnosis in a D/S context  haven't got a clue what they're doing, and try to use it as a blunt instrument. Putting someone in a trance isn't automatically going to make them into a slave, or a better slave, or whatever. I think that hypnosis can be a useful tool of enslavement, but it's just that, a tool, and and one tool among many. Using hypnosis for enslavement requires that the person doing the enslaving actually know how to enslave, and if they don't, hypnosis probably won't help them very much.

Dr Verloc

[mothbrad]

As I understand it, it's quite hard to hypnotise someone to do something that they wouldn't want to do normally - a lot of the effects of stage hypnosis are from people being put in a comfortable state where they feel able to act a fool, without being held accountable.  So, for example, they'd walk around stage acting like a chicken, but they wouldn't take a gun and start shooting (unless that was what they would do normally).

In that sense, hypnosis might be seem to be a fun part of playing with someone, but I would classify it as extreme edge play - when you're playing around with people's subconscious, you want to know what to do if/when something goes horribly wrong.  'Role Playing' hypnosis could be great, though - in other words, forcing* a sub to act as if she was really hypnotised.

In fantasy, anything goes.  I think there are some fun mind control stories at RPPstories which put a smile on my face, even though I don't find them all that erotic.  There's one that comes to mind about abusive nurses at an old age home having the tables turned on them, which is quite enjoyable in its own way.

* I hope we all know what I mean by 'forcing'

[Quixote]

I like that story.

I think a lot of interesting things are being said.  What about using hypnosis like I said to combat a revulsion?  If a slave *can't* teach herself to swallow, but wants to be able to please?

[Sprayman]

I like that story.

I think a lot of interesting things are being said.  What about using hypnosis like I said to combat a revulsion?  If a slave *can't* teach herself to swallow, but wants to be able to please?

That could be a fun fantasy idea, but as others have mentioned, hypnosis can't/won't cause a person to do something they are truly revolted by in real life. Hypnosis has a lot of limitations in real life and the hypnotist has to be very competent and well trained to really do anything beyond the usual parlor tricks.

[Quixote]

Interesting.  I thought revulsions/compulsions/phobias/addictions were pretty much hypnotherapy's raison d'etre.

[Eggert]

In my little corner of the world. Some amateur hypnotist - he'd read a book and therefore new all about  hypnosis - tried to make his girlfriend sleep... That surely went well. In the matter of fact so well, that she'd been sleeping for 20 years, as he couldn't wake her up. So it's nothing to be played with.

[Quixote]

Did you just tell me not to meddle with dark forces beyond my comprehension?

:-)

[Quixote]

And just to be clear, I'm not about to hypnotise my girlfriend.  I'm just musing.

[Sprayman]

Interesting.  I thought revulsions/compulsions/phobias/addictions were pretty much hypnotherapy's raison d'etre.

Addiction is one area that it seems to work fairly well if the hypnotist is competent mostly because a lot of addicted people don't want to be addicted. It works with some phobias but not all.

I have an acquaintance that is a psychologist/hypnotherapist who has told me about the limitations. I'm assuming that what he has told me is correct, since I have no personal knowledge of it. And yes, I know what assuming does.

[Quixote]

I believe you.  Interesting information.

[Dr Verloc]

One other comment I will make about hypnosis. I think it's probably a useful tool in a consensual Master/slave relationship, but that isn't always what we're about. Naturally I want to affect her mind in a very profound way, but I don't completely seperate that from having a profound affect on her body. Raping and caning her ass will certainly exert a profound psychlogical effect on her, and will afford me much pleasure besides. A brainwashed puppet isn't a substitute for a broken piece of meat.

Dr Verloc

[Quixote]

I never argue with the Doctor.